joining us to weigh in is al from the american eagle foundation and challenger, the bald eagle. good morning to you. >> hey, good morning, steve. how are you today? >> i'm doing okay, although i'm a little puzzled by this new thing that the obama administration has finalized, a rule to give energy companies permits for wind farms that wind up killing bald eagles. explain how this would work. >> first off, i think this is appalling and outrageous. i don't think it's good conservation policy. i think this is a lot of politics and believe me, i educate people on both sides of the aisle. i've been saving eagles for over 30 years. it took us over 30 years to bring the eagle back from the brink of extinction, a lot of work by hundreds of conservation groups and thousands of individuals across the country that put their heart and soul. and to do this, to give power companies a 30-year hunting license essentially to kill eagles and other birds is -- i think we're opening a pandora's box that will kill millions of birds over the next 30 years. tens of millions maybe, over the next 30 yea